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Pro-tip: If you are calling Barbara Gordon a MARY SUE in a world that includes Batman (aka, I can beat up Superman and steal Green Lantern’s ring rich white dude who is better than EVERYONE!!!!!) then your opinion is invalid.

In other news, Mary Sue continues to be nothing more than a bullshit misogynist label used by people who still think gendered insults are okay.

While we’re at it, is there a masculine term for this trope, just for curiosity’s sake?

Can we MAKE the masculine form “Bruce Wayne”? I’M DOING THIS.

I’ve heard the terms Gary Stu and Marty Stu, and as far as I’ve known, they’ve been around quite a while as well.  But yeah, the term probably needs to be Bruce Wayne.

Now I’m trying to think of male characters that have been given the Sue/Stu label (other than Bats) because I know I’ve heard some serious rage on this point before.

Morpheus, Clark Kent, Drizzt, Tony Stark, Harry Potter, Jon Snow, John Connor, Rayne Summers, Hal Jordan, Hudlin’s Black Panther, Conan the Barbarian, any leading man in a harem anime, Ash Ketchum, Naruto, that broody guy who isn’t Naruto, Ichigo, Kratos, Duke Nukem, Sherock Holmes, Watson, Ethan from CAD, Phillip J Fry, Timmy Turner, Danny Phantom, Spider-Man, Wolverine, Mr. Magoo, Daken, Axe Cop, Yugi Mutou, and any mute male video game protagonist are just a few of the myriad of male characters I have heard referred to by this term in my travels, whether deserved or not. People are just as quick to accuse male characters of being lame self-insert wish-fulfillment characters if they decide that they have an unworthy amount of success, too many points piled in the “strengths” column without enough weaknesses to balance them out, or a lack of personality making them seem like an empty shell of a person for the audience to step into and live out fantasies through.

I wrote up this on the subject a while back, because I got tired of the term being thrown around so liberally.

(Source: zarabithia)

  1. thelegendof-zelda reblogged this from bunkbuddies
  2. barbaraasbatgirlrocks reblogged this from zarabithia and added:
  3. colonel--dog reblogged this from coelasquid and added:
    Honestly, I just started looking at those sort of characters as plot-devices. And it’s not always a bad one. Some folks...
  4. gaffosske reblogged this from coelasquid
  5. sistermagpie reblogged this from fullofwhoa and added:
    I agree with not banning the word Mary Sue. I think it’s a word that came into being because it’s useful for describing...
  6. fullofwhoa reblogged this from shobogan and added:
    I actually feel really strongly that Mary Sue isn’t a term that should be banned. It’s one of those things where, if...
  7. bunkbuddies reblogged this from zarabithia
  8. bossymarmalade reblogged this from mercy-misrule and added:
    Seriously, Batman and Wolverine are the biggest frigging Marty Stus in the entire comicsverse. Emotionally stunted...
  9. cleromancy reblogged this from shobogan
  10. teantacles reblogged this from coelasquid
  11. shobogan reblogged this from thetopofthecity and added:
    Ugh, yes. Can we just - not use this term? Ever? There are legitimate criticisms to be made of many characters. Sometime...
  12. linneakou reblogged this from rosalarian
  13. geewhathappensnext reblogged this from rosalarian and added:
    Yeah, Gary was much more common in older works before Trek. Sue/Stu is an equal opportunity bad character/plotting.
  14. cannonbarrage reblogged this from coelasquid and added:
    I dislike the term being thrown around liberally and it can be used misogynistically but I don’t think it is...
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  18. carriepika reblogged this from coelasquid and added:
    I’m amused at the comment that the term ‘Mary Sue’ is actually misogynistic. Like as if, somehow, the phrase was coined...