I draw the webcomic Manly Guys Doing Manly Things and work on cartoons you might see on TV sometimes.

 

Here’s a nifty graph my buddy sent my way, it shows the budgets of various animated movies and series from pre-40’s to present day, adjusted for inflation, broken down to the cost per minute, second, foot, and frame.
(Important to remember that this chart reflects overall budget, so when you see a spike on some movies like the Lion King or Tarzan that includes the cost of Elton John and Phil Collins)

Here’s a nifty graph my buddy sent my way, it shows the budgets of various animated movies and series from pre-40’s to present day, adjusted for inflation, broken down to the cost per minute, second, foot, and frame.

(Important to remember that this chart reflects overall budget, so when you see a spike on some movies like the Lion King or Tarzan that includes the cost of Elton John and Phil Collins)

snager replied to your post: youtube: UaMaCp_mMRI Your thoughts?

i think he doesn’t mean ‘western animation’ so much as ‘western film in general’ and i respect that opinion if that’s what he meant.

Even if that is the case, they sound like the film-fan equivalent to those people who go online and post troll images saying things along the lines of “This is why JRPGs are superior to all Western RPGs. Americans don’t know how to make RPGs” Like this;


I wonder if the irony is lost on them.

i can’t read this useful diagram

Link should work, I thought that Tumblr still let you right click>view images at their full size :/

mayeko replied to your post: snager said: …
you can see it in full size, but only if you click through on your blog, not on the dash, may I suggest a click through link?

There is one, it’s the “Like this;” before the graphic.

idiggiantrobots-deactivated2012 asked
youtube: UaMaCp_mMRI Your thoughts?

I think one of the top-voted comments got it pretty well;

But seriously, I get that they’re saying they like the aesthetic decisions typical of Eastern filmmaking but… I dunno, it doesn’t look very “Anime” to me? More like a Canadian CG thing you’d see out of Mainframe or something like that. If anything, it looks like DA2 models with cel-shading. If they’re trying to coast on the “it’s not cartoons! It’s ANIMEEEEE~” train of thought, I don’t think what they’ve shown looks stylistically “anime” enough to pull that off.

And you know, it’s disappointing to see Canadian video game producers talking about how incapable Canadian Animators are rather than inject some life into the local industry. I would expect people who are involved so closely with the entertainment industry to understand that it’s not “The creative professionals in our country can’t do this” it’s “The creative professionals in our country haven’t been given the chance to do this yet.”

It sounds as though the Japanese studio may have approached them with the idea for the movie rather than vice versa, in which case I would understand their decision to go with that team, but all the “Western animators are incompetent, the story of DA2 is too deep for any medium but Anime” talk was still completely unnecessary and a cheap shot. Especially since… like I said… What they’re showing in this clip looks like a made-for-YTV movie out of Vancouver.

Totally just my opinion, but colour me disappointed if that girl is supposed to be Hawke. I’m a really big fan of DA2’s default female Hawke, I’m not digging that character design (though it would be cool if they chose fem!Hawke for the spotlight at all, I’ll admit)

Final verdict: Nothing I would go out of my way to watch.

I would’ve felt better if they had just been honest and said “We were interested in making more money when we were approached by some anime studio…”

Thanks Brett, that works.

dicksfordinner:

coelasquid:

Wasn’t there another documentary responding to supersize me, I think it was called “fathead” where they tally the numbers and prove that the supersize me guy had to be eating significantly more calories per day than he was leading the audience to believe to have gained the amount of weight he did? I think the same documentary followed it’s host showing it was possible to live off of fast food for a month, lose weight, and be healthy. It’s an interesting concept to document not so much it defends the fast food industry, but more because so many people in cities or college towns are stuck in “food deserts” where grocery stores are inaccessible and fast food is the only option they have. Obviously the IDEAL solution is better urban planning, but until that happens it’s important for people stuck in situations like that to know how to be smart about choosing fast food if they want to have any chance at being healthy.

the guy from supersize is a huge fucking idiot. He totally inflated everything, and on another show they invited him and his vegan wife to try to live off of minimum wage jobs. They were so pathetic - he quit 3 days after working at mcdonalds because his “arm hurt”, same with his wife. They whined the entire time about how they couldn’t buy nice things and gave up. I’ll try to dig up the tv show name for you.

Yeah, I’ve seen it before, I think it was called “30 days”. I know they were trying to be overdramatic to play up how difficult it is living on Minimum wage, but the chief thing I felt like after I watched the premier episode was “wow these people are fucking useless”. They racked up something like a month’s rent on hospital visits for a bladder infection and a sore arm that were both ultimately fixed with over-the-counter meds for something in the neighbourhood of $30. It was full of great lines like “I’ve never had to deny myself food when I was hungry before!”, I’ve never had to put a deposit down for utilities!”, and “I’ve never had to make a budget!” Later on in the episode he talks about how his family didn’t have any money when he was a kid and it’s like “I’m sorry bro, if you’ve never been hungry, you’ve never had to find used furniture, and you’ve never had to shop for over-the-counter antibiotics at the drug store, and you always had presents and candies on Christmas and Easter, you weren’t really poor.”

Now, don’t get me wrong, it is FUCKING HARD not having money, I’ve had more than enough “choosing between rent or food”, “passing out on a tile floor because I chose rent”, and “hoping for the best with the resulting bleeding gash on the back of my head because I couldn’t afford to go to the hospital” for one life, but the episode was so distractingly “I am rich and what is this” I felt like it undermined the actual struggle they were trying to document. Like, the episode was supposed to document the struggles of the American lower class for an American Middle class audience but it was presented through the eyes of the American Upper Class (Or at least Upper middle) and becomes hard to identify with if you’ve ever had to budget finances or do manual labour.

I guess it’s worth mentioning that since they only had to do it for 30 days, they never really had to appreciate the consequences of the $1,200 or so of debt they racked up by the end of their first month. They weren’t living like people on minimum wage, they were living like rich people who knew they were going to get their credit cards back in a couple weeks.

(Source: youtube.com)

Brilliant, resonating story aside, (going back to an old topic) would you watch an adult series with that kind of style of animation?

In all honesty, probably not. I mean, it would depend on the story, but when it was a movie I was watching in a theatre at a film festival for 90 minutes it captured me; I think it would be too dry for me to actively seek out at home and pay attention to. Without the subject matter behind it, which I think would lose a lot of the punch in a series format rather than a film, I would anticipate it running into “Why did you bother animating this” and “Underacting for fear of overacting” territory.

I think it may have been an effective way to tell a really brutal real life story to international audiences because drawings of people are said to be more inclusive than photographs of people are. Like people will have an easier time identifying with the illustrated person because it’s less specific. I’m sure there are other places that could go into this better than me, but I think it’s related to the same parts of our brain that identify with masked characters and other abstractions of humanity, kind of the whole Uncanny Valley thing. I think there may also be something to do with the way it softens the blow and makes the whole subject seem less real and possibly easier to swallow by association. I think that the film-makers were well aware of this, which was why they chose to run the real live action footage of the carnage and destruction the war caused. To round off the edges on that and show it all in a cartoon fantasy would probably end up looking cheap and insulting to the victims.

I guess a decent enough example I’ve got of this is a project where I had to make eleven unique animations of medieval soldiers at a distance being burned alive. Serious drawing style, serious subject matter, but when you see this line of little cartoon people doin’ the bacon, honestly it looks pretty funny. I wouldn’t anticipate that being the case with real people burning to death.

Anyway, I’m just saying I think Waltz With Bashir did a good job of utilizing the fantasy “Hey, I can identify with these cartoon people because they make this whole conflict easier to accept”  and then capping it off with the real-footage punch to the gut.

But again, how well the style could apply to a series would probably depend on the story and the way they tell it. And because I say this every time you ask some reiteration of this question, I think the best chance of creating serious adult animated series that follow an interesting story, have an appealing art direction, and would be low-enough risk for producers to give money to would be by adapting comic series (or video games). It’s how many anime series get their start, for all the people who love to champion Japan’s adult animation industry, and it’s already worked in America (as I went into the last time you asked this, I’m pretty much just talking in circles now) with animated adaptations of Cybersix, Curse of the Black Freighter, Turok: Son of Stone, Spawn, and Batman: Under the Red Hood, and The Maxx.

squeakyfoam:
Oh, by the way, The Thing From Another World was terrible. Just saying.

 You seem to have missed my sarcasm and didn’t catch that I’m saying the 1980’s Thing movie proves remakes can bring something new to the table and aren’t worth condemning the very idea of. And that it seems quite ironic that people would choose a movie that IS a very successful remake to use in their “remakes are horrible and should never happen” rants.

squeakyfoam:

Oh, by the way, The Thing From Another World was terrible. Just saying.

You seem to have missed my sarcasm and didn’t catch that I’m saying the 1980’s Thing movie proves remakes can bring something new to the table and aren’t worth condemning the very idea of. And that it seems quite ironic that people would choose a movie that IS a very successful remake to use in their “remakes are horrible and should never happen” rants.

valeasmundum:

comeonandbreakthedoordown:

I. Can’t. Wait.

Oh my god they’re remaking The Thing? This should be interesting… The sudden influx of 80’s movie remakes is astounding. 

Whenever I hear people make a big deal about the idea of the Thing being remade, the first thing I think is “Oh yeah how dare they remake that beloved horror classic from 1951. Oh wait they’re complaining about people expanding on that remake of it from 1982. Golly Gee Wow remakes sure are 100% guaranteed to be awful and not bring anything new to the table, huh?”
The second thing I think is “it’s not even a remake, it’s a prequel.”

valeasmundum:

comeonandbreakthedoordown:

I. Can’t. Wait.

Oh my god they’re remaking The Thing? This should be interesting… The sudden influx of 80’s movie remakes is astounding. 

Whenever I hear people make a big deal about the idea of the Thing being remade, the first thing I think is “Oh yeah how dare they remake that beloved horror classic from 1951. Oh wait they’re complaining about people expanding on that remake of it from 1982. Golly Gee Wow remakes sure are 100% guaranteed to be awful and not bring anything new to the table, huh?

The second thing I think is “it’s not even a remake, it’s a prequel.”

I’m just gonna put it out there that if they were doin’ a live action Dragon Age film, Noomi Rapace would totally be my top choice for Hawke.

I’m just gonna put it out there that if they were doin’ a live action Dragon Age film, Noomi Rapace would totally be my top choice for Hawke.